Mostly for Licia, as Steph and Spencer have easier ways to access it, but this is the (crossover) file I'm working with right now. It undergoes sporadic fits of revamping at mostly unpredictable times, but this is the latest edition.
http://www.esnips.com/web/crossover
On the other hand, I am now arguing with myself about what might happen to a vampire if he died (theoretically of course) in Arda. Of the three races we know about, dwarves return to dust, Eru himself calls Men beyond the veil of the world, and the Eldar, bound to Arda as they are, follow Namo's summons to Mandos, there to wait until the end of the world or a possible re-embodiment. But vampires, as entities completely foreign to Arda in general and Imbar/Middle-Earth in specific, do not fall into any of those three categories. Supposedly a vampire's fëa might be stronger than a Man's (hence the immortality), but is not bound to its own world, let alone a foreign one. Then it must either wander houseless, or be summoned by Eru, or summoned by the Valar. But the Valar, as they are bound to Arda themselves, would have no natural authority over such a fëa. It is not unreasonable to suppose that it might have sworn allegiance previously, nor is it impossible to entertain the notion of Eru giving formal control to the Powers of that particular world. Even so, how would it be contained within Mandos, or indeed the world? And how might it in time be rebodied, as the very material of its hröa was unnatural to Imbar? The Valar might find it impossible to reform a vampire's body, comprised as it is of both physical and magical component, for there is no magic as we should call it in that existence. The end result might be one who appeared as he first had but was no longer or vampire or wizard.
Still, one must admit that the idea of Snape, formerly terrified of one Remus Lupin, should meet his end, having walked willingly into Sauron's dungeons, at the jaws of a wolf, has a certain dark irony to it...
http://www.esnips.com/web/crossover
On the other hand, I am now arguing with myself about what might happen to a vampire if he died (theoretically of course) in Arda. Of the three races we know about, dwarves return to dust, Eru himself calls Men beyond the veil of the world, and the Eldar, bound to Arda as they are, follow Namo's summons to Mandos, there to wait until the end of the world or a possible re-embodiment. But vampires, as entities completely foreign to Arda in general and Imbar/Middle-Earth in specific, do not fall into any of those three categories. Supposedly a vampire's fëa might be stronger than a Man's (hence the immortality), but is not bound to its own world, let alone a foreign one. Then it must either wander houseless, or be summoned by Eru, or summoned by the Valar. But the Valar, as they are bound to Arda themselves, would have no natural authority over such a fëa. It is not unreasonable to suppose that it might have sworn allegiance previously, nor is it impossible to entertain the notion of Eru giving formal control to the Powers of that particular world. Even so, how would it be contained within Mandos, or indeed the world? And how might it in time be rebodied, as the very material of its hröa was unnatural to Imbar? The Valar might find it impossible to reform a vampire's body, comprised as it is of both physical and magical component, for there is no magic as we should call it in that existence. The end result might be one who appeared as he first had but was no longer or vampire or wizard.
Still, one must admit that the idea of Snape, formerly terrified of one Remus Lupin, should meet his end, having walked willingly into Sauron's dungeons, at the jaws of a wolf, has a certain dark irony to it...
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It will have to be Eru, if he is to be called. The Valar, mighty as they are, have not the infinite knowledge to deal with this, nonwithstanding whether they have been to another 'verse. Eru, in our theory of an overarching deity would know all, including that which pertains to other 'verses, on account God's having made all 'verses and then shown himself forth, in Arda 'verse at least, as Eru.
The vampire angle will be interesting for me to work with as well. Mainly because the first major character in my x-over who is a vampire is not biologically a vampire. He is made one through a vampire-performed ceremony. However, his son (Arandur), the MAJOR-major character of the whole work, will be a bio-vamp, since he was born one (the son of a vamp and an Eldar).
HOWEVER, the non-bio-vamp-major-character is still going to die in Middle Earth (more specifically in Moria), and, thus, we do need to figure out what would happen to a vampire from another 'verse were they to die in Arda. At death, there is not much of a difference between a bio-vamp and non-bio-vamp. You still have the confusing bit of working out what is going to happen to them.
I would tend to say that they would not return, but would be taken away somewhere, if not scattered to the wind. However, it could make for some interesting piece later on if they were to return. For either of our main characters (Polde or Arandur) to see his or her father again alive would be most shocking. What would be even crazier would be if our two crossovers eventually crossed each other and the two of them (P&A) went back and found both of their fathers. Now, I think, I am musing far too much into the future.
I apologize for not telling you this before, but I shan't be at church today. I am being forced (or forcing myself) to stay home on account of sickness. *raises mug of tea* Cheers!
Now, why again was Severus going into the dungeons in the first place?
...What is this 'our'? As I recall I was the one who posited the idea and argued for it. And please, please, _please_ do not say 'God'. Tolkien's Eru Iluvatar does _not_ directly correspond to Christianity, not even remotely. None of Ea's theology does; Eru is not God, and the Valar are likewise nor gods nor angels. The presence of divinity I propose for the story does not correspond to Christianity.
Next, keep in mind that there are distinct difference in different universes, so that when I say 'vampire,' I mean the HP version, not Rice or Hambly or Dracula, much less Tolkien's vampires (e.g. Thuringwethil.) Your character's biology will be different if it is not based in an HP-verse origin. In which case, there is quite a bit of difference; neither Rice's vampires nor Hamilton's can reproduce via anything other than Turning, but the gigantic demon-bats of Arda can, and so can HP-verse. There is not a magical but a demonic component in Arda's, but in mine? Hambly's vampires are made so via a virus and are soulless, feeding not so much upon blood as the actual death of their prey. When dealing in cross-universe fiction, one _must_ remember that there are _different rules_. The same thing could be applied to werewolves: Carcharoth could never be a human or take that shape, whereas few would classify humble, self-effacing Remus as a demon or monster. So arguments as to whether or not vampires have souls and what their eventual fates may be is also influenced by which, exactly, we are talking about.
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